The more interesting statistic would be load balance in total. I mean, I have a IPv6 only server, but it has only 6 mb/s configured, since it is a on a customer connection and only a small router.
I wonder how much traffic comes to IPv4 servers and how much to IPv6, regardless how many servers we have. I would expect 4:1 because IPv4 adresses are distributed more often. Adding one dns point (3.pool.ntp.org) would mean doubling the traffic. Therefore I would like to know the summarized bandwith configured for IPv4 and IPv6 to have an idea about the future load sharing.
It’s amusing to read another one of your reality-denying threads this time from the place I am visiting the last few days: the UK residence of two people between the ages of 75 and 80.
They have a fairly basic Internet setup available to anyone in this area, at a cost in the lower end of the UK broadband market, competitive to the largest provider, British Telecom. They chose it based on its low price alone, because they are pensioners and on a fixed retirement income.
It has fully working IPv6. They didn’t know this or care about it because they don/'t know what IPv4 or IPv6 is. I didn’t know there was IPv6 either until I looked just now. My laptop which is a new device in their home, gained a globally-routable IPv6 address when I joined their wifi.
All the devices in their home are using IPv6. They have some Google Nest smart speakers and an Amazon Alexa that they use every day. These are going over IPv6. They also watch TV every day but gave up broadcast TV some time ago, not really through active choice it’s just that they found that they are mostly satisfied by streaming. So all their TV is by an Amazon Fire device which is also using IPv6. If you turn it off, the TV says it has no other signal.
So isn’t it strange how a pair of non-technical pensioners in UK are making full use of what IPv6 has to offer without even knowing or caring, while you are busy telling everyone who will listen how it is doomed and can never work. Clearly their unknowing use in a domestic setting is a real-world use whether you like it or not, so will your argument shift to saying that this somehow doesn’t count?
But then, clearly also server-to-server use of IPv6 is a real-world thing because we see stats from Google and similar about the percentage of such traffic
If your arguments — which we have been subjected to now for more than 5 years — held up then none of the companies involved in providing these elderly people with mass market Internet service would have bothered doing it over IPv6. But they did, as is pretty common amongst such service providers in UK now. Why is that, do you think? Are all of these companies stupid and just not seeing your wisdom of “IPv6 doesn’t work and never will”? Or could it possibly be the case that you are mistaken and they do it because it does actually reduce their costs?
The nature of my job means I am often in other people’s homes. This year it will be around 20% of the year spent in other people’s homes. Most of the time when I get on their wifi, IPv6 comes up. That means those people, their phones and most of their other devices, are having the majority of their traffic (by byte count) go over IPv6 without them even knowing.
It is by now usual to read your messages and leave feeling that we live in very different realities. This thread just makes that even more explicit. I do not doubt that IPv6 isn’t there for you at home, and not there for you as a concept, but it’s all around you and still you continue to deny it. I fully expect you will still be denying it when Google reports 60%, 75%, 90% going over IPv6. I expect you will continue shifting goals to things like, “does this device come with no IPv4 at all? No? IPv4 is perfectly adequate then!”
As the reality-based community (now featuring 75 year-olds in UK!) recedes into the distance in your rear view mirror, try to enjoy the ride but please stop telling us that our sky must be the same colour as yours.
Oh, but everyone with a smart phone is on IPv6, since both 4G LTE and 5G NR only support IPv6, for both voice and data. 3GPP just never bothered to also support IPv4 in wireless networks.
Let those inclined to shout at the clouds do so, even if from a smartphone through IPv6.
I think latency is also an issue. Certain ISPs don’t route IPv4 and IPv6
the same, they sometimes have different peering/transit sessions or
preferences. This has an impact on latency, so some servers have less
latency on one of those protocols.
That is true, but I don’t see why this should be an issue. It is only one of you compare the same server with its IPv4 and its IPv6 at the same time. Else wise there is always routing and different paths which you don’t have control about.
Also, I have used https://bgp.tools a lot for my most common autonomous system neighborhood. As long as hurricane electric isn’t on the way, all peering and ix using seems to be the same. No idea what ISPs do internally, though.
Well, routing from a local ISP in Germany to an address at the west coast of the USA isn’t ideal anyway, is it? At least for ntp I would look for local servers. But since your ISP has no Internet exchange connected and only transit, finding not changing routes in the neighborhood can be more challenging I guess.
In my corner of the world, IPv6 is a boon, i suppose because the equipment is newer and the routes use advanced fiber optics, so the latency and peering tends to be better than IPv4.
I agree with the comments that the new the build out the more likely you will have a well designed IPv6 implementation. The mobile device market and Starlink seem to have some of the best IPv6 support out there. I run two ISP’s to my lab one from T-Mobile and the other Starlink. In order to handle ISP outages I had to do ULA on all my VLAN’s and setup NAT routing to the ISP. Not elegant but it works. Defeats the IPv6 doesn’t need NAT selling point. If we can just have portable/owned IPv6 ranges not owned by the ISP be we can configure with a ISP it would make life so much easier.
Well, instead of NAT66 you could do NPT (network prefix translation). I do this on a dynamic connection and have some static adresses for my VPN tunnels internally and the prefixes get changed dynamically on egress. The benefit is: it is stateless and therefore very fast and lightweight.
example: internally dd05:cafe::1bad:babe gets 20a2:XYZA:GHJZ:ESIT::1bad:babe on public. In combination with dynv6 it is pretty useable as a consumer. Well, getting a static connection is better, but not all ISP offer it for free. 1 of 3 of mine does at least…
100% agree! We are at the other end of the spectrum from the couple you mention (though we are also both retired). My home network(s) and ISP connection are fully dual-stack (I unfortunately have a few legacy IoT devices that don’t do IPv6 plus, surprisingly, a cloud backup solution that is also blissfully unaware of IPv6). I track my internal and Internet traffic volume for both IPv4 and IPv6 and apart from the devices/application that I mentioned pretty much everything else chooses to use IPv6 with no issues whatsoever.
I also observe the same at home: the IPv4 traffic is a trace amount. The corollary is that, of the outside threats blocked by the firewall, IPv6 is a trace amount.
Same here. Dozens of login attempts on my public ssh server for IPv4 (dynamic), none for IPv6 (static). I disabled IPv4 on that server for this reason.
At day-job most deployments everywhere are IPv6 only, for all the obvious reasons. It works fine. Many many deployments are IPv6-only now. Nothing is being taken away from correctly configured legacy IPv4-only deployments by enabling this.
I’m going to close this thread; you are all just going in circles.
We will have AAAA records on the standard pool names. I’m sorry it’s taken so many years. It keeps being like the third big item on the hobby-work todo list.
The main holdup is human bandwidth to track and deal with any problems it might cause. I trust that some of you who have been strong advocates for this change sooner rather than later will be able and willing to help when the time comes.
I need to stabilize things after the recent cluster move, then finish the migration to postgres and then it’s again the next thing on the list.
2 Why did AMD become the x64 leader and not Intel, Intel changed CPU’s not compatible…they lost.
Intel sold their expensive IA64 processors to the server only, there was
no interest to produce consumer-grade hardware with them, so almost no
one used them, despite their emulation mode for x86.
People didn’t care about 64 bit on their Athlon 64’s too, as most
operating systems used at the time did not support it and
software/driver support was bad. Years later computers came preinstalled
with x64 OS and people used it.
3 Why is IPv6 not pushed? People do not care, as such companies do not care, as people do not pay for it and IPv4 just works (for now)
It is being enabled at more and more site, people use it and don’t care,
as it works.
4 Electric cars, sure they sell, but unknown how long they last, they expect 10 years, my petrol car is almost brand new after 10 years. So it’s my wife’s diesel at 8 years. Electric will not take over, not now, not ever.
TCO is cheaper compared to new combustion engine cars, especially if you
have solar panels.
5 Solar panels…nah they are stupid unless you have a battery and live in the tropics.
I have them and they are give me much cheaper electricity than I can get
from any company.
6 Windmills, stupid too as they are turned off at negative prices. Yet power-plants need to run on standby burning useless energy because of dumb-decisions.
They produce much cheaper electricity than nuclear or fuel based
Why did the AMD64 take over the CPU market? IT WAS COMPATIBLE!
IA64 was too, it had an x86 emulation mode, but it was for expensive
servers only, so the market share was small.
The market works on what people want, not what YOU want…it’s demand.
The market does not care about old retards. Certain people refused
various technologies and said they will never take over, but they did.
Telephone, cars, motors, computers - all of them were rejected by a
certain majority first.
So in the end, money talks…how much does AI and IPv6 generate? Today? Nothing. Another bubble that pops soon.
Various companies sell their stuff including AI and people buy it.
Various ISP provide IPv6 - people are still customers there, regardless
of one Belgian who does not want it to happen.
Make money or bust…simple rule of demand. No matter what YOU think
Then make money on your own. I assume no one will pay for your
“expertise” here.
